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Post by BlackOps on Jul 3, 2006 11:26:16 GMT -5
So we finally got to double digits ![:)](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/Ge__off/smileF.gif) Glad that ckwatt's idea has stuck thus far.
We've already talked about homefield advatange and all-star games in debate #3. So, this week, just in time for the MLB All-Star activites, I want to talk about the process of selecting all-stars. Year in and year out, we have, in the AL, a team full of Red Sox and Yankees. That's great, and it shows that they have many fans, but, some of those players may not deserve to start. The RostersWe have 6 players from New York and Boston, and only 3 from all the other teams. On the other hand, we have lovely Ozzie Guillen. We have a grand total of 0 White Sox chosen by the fans, but 3 picked by the players, and 3 picked by Guillen himself. ( Read more for yourself) Does anyone besides me think the rosters should be expanded? For the final fan vote in the AL, we have 4 players who I should be in. Hernandez, Hafner, Verlander, and Liriano all deserve it. But, only one will get in.
So, do you think we should: 1. Let the fans vote 2. Let the players vote 3. Let the managers of their respective teams choose (more specifically, managers of the AL and NL teams) 4. Let every manager/GM/team player representative in the league gather and vote or, 6. A combination? 7. Other? Keep in mind your view as a fan and your view if you were the manager of the team. Would you pull an Ozzie Guillen and pick many of your own players or pick the best players from the whole league?
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Post by SportsFan508 on Jul 3, 2006 22:20:27 GMT -5
I think that the GM's, managers, and players should vote and the respetive managers choose from the players that the managers, gm's and players selected. I hate watching every year to find players who dont deserve to be there or start.
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Post by GEO on Jul 5, 2006 16:28:09 GMT -5
The vote needs to be taken out of the fan's hands. I don't care how the MLB decides to go about it. Lie?
Fans ruin All Star games. They have blind, homerific opinions. Why is Jason Bay in the starting lineup? Where is Curt Schilling.
That being said, ALL of the managers should gather, and cast a secret ballot.
I like the rule that all teams are represented, so that would be kept.
As for me, I would do the exact opposite of what Ozzie is doing. I want my players to take the night off, and get ready for the second half.
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Post by blindlywewander on Jul 5, 2006 22:49:43 GMT -5
I can't really debate or 'trash talk' this one, because I agree with GEO. The selection of all-stars being left in the hands of the fans seems.. unprofessional at best. It just seems foolish. Fans are going to pick based off of things that don't warrant an allstar bid (ie. they had a good year last year, or they're a team captain or a big name or the voters' favorite player, etc.). It seems like every year ESPN runs a segment about the players that got jipped out of a roster spot. I think all the mangers/ other important league officials should cast their votes. I think the manager of the AL and NL teams should have 2 votes (or at least a more important vote) because they obviously did something to earn that position. I think tapes should be reviewed and the best overall players should get the positions. Not just big hitters or good defensive players. Good players in general.
Then again, it's only one game, and if they want to fill the seats, they need big names. So, maybe they should take a fan poll as they do now, but have that count for 5 or 10 percent only, then their votes count for the other 90.
All I know is that it shouldn't stay how it is now.
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Post by SportsFan508 on Jul 6, 2006 13:27:00 GMT -5
I think whay Ozzy Guillen is doing is stupid. What if the Kansas City Royals manager was the American All-Star manager. He could pick Royals players. The Royals are absolutely patheric. Yes the White Sox are good, but you have got to give the spots to players who deserve it. Like Geo said Curt Schilling. He is 10-3. One of the best pitchers in the league right now and he did not make it. Most of the fans pick whoever is popular or whoever has had a great career. Barry Bond (with the help of steroids) has had a great career. If people didn't hate him, he would have made the All-Star game and he is having a bad year. He has less than 10 homers. One of the players that should have made it is Baltimore Orioles second baseman Brian Roberts. He is hitting over .310 with about 33 RBIs and 20 stolen bases.
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Post by BlackOps on Jul 6, 2006 13:45:25 GMT -5
Roberto Hernandez (final ballot - Baltimore) is better than Roberts. Carl Crawford is wayyyy better than Brian Roberts, who has 1 homer and 33 rbi. Look at Crawford in his last 6 games, 3 hits, 3, 2, 2, 2, 2. sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6870Not to mention that he was hitting over 300 before this lil streak. He made the game 2 years ago in houston (If I rememeber), he already has more homers this year than that year. (at the end of the season) Actually Bonds has 11 homers ![:P](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/Ge__off/tongueF.gif)
Oh, AJ Pierzynski is leading the fan vote because of all the bandwagoners. That's pathetic because all 4 of the other guys are better than he is. In order to be coach of the all star team, your team has to make the world series the year before, so there's no worry for Bell to be the manager of the all star team ![:P](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/Ge__off/tongueF.gif)
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Post by blindlywewander on Jul 6, 2006 14:15:49 GMT -5
I think when it comes down to it, there will always be players who deserve it a little more (or a lot more) but don't get in. That's just how it's going to be. It's only one game. Yes it looks good on a players resume, but so what? The all-star game is just a fun time. Not many players take it seriously. Yes, they do their best, but it's just a fun game. As far as what Guillen is doing, I think it is foolish, but smart at the same time. Foolish because he isn't resting his players, but smart because he knows he has the power to put them on the team, so he does. It looks good for him, the players, and the team to have that many players on the allstar team. Most of the players deserve the place though. Contreras hasn't lost a game (he's having a great year, 9-0) Thome is 2nd in the league in HRs, Dye is in the top 20 in RBIs, so.. the players are having good years. Do they deserve bids over other players though? Maybe not. Again, that is why the system must change. I say a group vote of coaches/important officials should take place. The fans vote should count as 10% coaches for 30% and the other 60% is up to the league officals.
Will this work? Maybe, maybe not. Is it worth the effort just for one game? Maybe, maybe not.
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Post by GEO on Jul 6, 2006 15:11:55 GMT -5
I think whay Ozzy Guillen is doing is stupid. What if the Kansas City Royals manager was the American All-Star manager. He could pick Royals players. The Royals are absolutely patheric. Yes the White Sox are good, but you have got to give the spots to players who deserve it. Like Geo said Curt Schilling. He is 10-3. One of the best pitchers in the league right now and he did not make it. Most of the fans pick whoever is popular or whoever has had a great career. Barry Bond (with the help of steroids) has had a great career. If people didn't hate him, he would have made the All-Star game and he is having a bad year. He has less than 10 homers. One of the players that should have made it is Baltimore Orioles second baseman Brian Roberts. He is hitting over .310 with about 33 RBIs and 20 stolen bases. The thing about the Royals would never happen. Why would they give it the manager job to the worst team? BWW: It is worth the effort for one game. Apparently, this one game decides home field advantage. That only matters to 8 teams in the MLB, so who cares?
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Post by SportsFan508 on Jul 6, 2006 20:51:33 GMT -5
The thing about the Royals was a hypethetical thing. Thanks for correcting me I thought he only had like 8 or 9. Unfortunately AJ Pierzynski was voted into the all star game. How did Travis Hafner or Fransisco Liriano not make it? Nomar deserved to make it. He is having a great year. Some of the peope who should not be in the all star game are Pudge Rodriguiez and Jason Bay. Fan voting totally ruins the all star game.
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Post by BlackOps on Jul 6, 2006 22:10:07 GMT -5
Pudge > Pierzynski
Bay definitely deserved to be an all-star, I don't think he deserved a starting spot though (isn't he a starter?)
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Post by GEO on Jul 7, 2006 15:26:54 GMT -5
The fact that Liriano is terrible. He was 2nd in TOTAL AL VOTING. I cannot understand how he wasn't picked. The fans obviously wanted him.
And Jason Bay should be there. But you know what, even if he shouldn't be a starter, Pirates fans need something to cheer for in their own park this year.
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Post by BlackOps on Jul 7, 2006 17:55:51 GMT -5
Pedro gets injuired and wouldn't you know it! Garner chooses Roy Oswalt.
I guess a 6-5 record is means for an all-star appearance.
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Post by SportsFan508 on Jul 7, 2006 20:51:00 GMT -5
The fact that Liriano is terrible. He was 2nd in TOTAL AL VOTING. I cannot understand how he wasn't picked. The fans obviously wanted him. And Jason Bay should be there. But you know what, even if he shouldn't be a starter, Pirates fans need something to cheer for in their own park this year. If the fans wanted Liriano, they would have picked him. The last player to get in was voted on by the fans. Of course most of the fans dont know who is deserving of an all star appearance. They only vote for the players who they know. Although that circumstance is sometimes the right choice. Here are examples of good and bad players to vote for because they are popular. Good: Albert Pujols David Ortiz Bad: Ivan Rodriguez Mike Piazza (last year)
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Post by BlackOps on Jul 11, 2006 9:53:17 GMT -5
Finish by Wednesday..
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Post by GEO on Jul 11, 2006 15:37:02 GMT -5
He finished second in voting. Are you serious?
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