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Post by GEO on Mar 21, 2009 22:27:33 GMT -5
Lets get something straight.
Cutler > Cassel.
For a new coach to come in and even so much as HINT that he would prefer Cassel over Cutler, is ridiculous.
Cutler is going to be an elite QB in a few years. He's thrown for over 45 TDs the last two years. Oh, and the Denver passing offense was one of the best in the NFL last year.
So what gives? Will Cutler be traded? To whom?
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Post by Nyi28nhl on Mar 21, 2009 22:38:36 GMT -5
I can understand why Josh McDaniels would want Cassel over Cutler. Cassel already knows McDaniels system, and can execute it to a "T." Cassel already has a relationship with the coach, and would make a smooth transition into coaching for Josh.
That said, Cutler is better that Cassel. McDaniels is now in big doo-doo with what has transpired.
All I can hope is that Cutler ends up in Green and White.
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Post by SportsFan508 on Mar 22, 2009 14:38:15 GMT -5
This was a stupid move by the Broncos. Their biggest problem is now that they didnt get Matt Cassel. If they got him they would look stupid but they would have a solid QB. They didnt get him and they are close to losing Cutler too. Besides Cutler has done a great job as a QB for them and there is no reason to attempt to trade your best player especially for someone who he is a lot better than. That is disrespectful and unnecessary.
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Post by OOYL on Mar 22, 2009 21:06:01 GMT -5
Cutler's only problem is that his defense is horrible.
NYI, there is no good reason Philadelphia should dump Donovan and go for Cutler. McNabb still has a few years left, and has had relatively injury free seasons the past two years.
Cutler has been in the league for three years. He threw for 4500 yards last season. That's great. But three years and not one playoff appearance!
At least McNabb knows how to win playoff games. And if you think McNabb "chokes", look at Cutler's recent history. He was 8-5 last year with 3 games to go. The Broncos were a lock for the postseason. They finished up 8-8.
If that's not mediocrity, I don't know what is.
The Broncos are partially to blame for Cutler's struggles, but a majority of it has to be placed on Cutler. Cutler is still a kid, and shouldn't be traded to a team who wants to win the big one right away (ala the Philadelphia Eagles).
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Post by Nyi28nhl on Mar 22, 2009 21:09:47 GMT -5
Is it safe to assume you knew I meant the Jets?
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Post by GEO on Mar 23, 2009 15:35:59 GMT -5
Cutler has more than a few years left. Donovan chokes in the big games. 1-4 in NFC Championship games isn't anything to be proud of. His best years are behind him and Kevin Kolb is not the answer.
Before a QB knew how to win a playoff game, he DIDN'T know how to win one. Tony Romo will win a playoff game eventually, as will Jay Cutler. By your logic, because the Eagles did so well in those seasons when McNabb got hurt, Donovan should be the backup to Feely or Detmer. Wrong.
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Post by Nyi28nhl on Mar 23, 2009 18:20:09 GMT -5
I'd take McNabb over Cutler right now if my mentality was to win this season. I can hardly place the blame on the NFC Championship games on Donovan. Sometimes they just don't go your way.
If I had my choice between the two right now, with no price difference (in terms of what would have to be given up to get him), I would grab Cutler in a heart beat. He's got much more youth, and hasn't taken nearly as much of a pounding over the years like Donovan has.
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Post by OOYL on Mar 23, 2009 18:53:14 GMT -5
NYI: I actually thought you were talking about the Eagles. That's all the sports guys are talking about on the Philadelphia radio station. That just goes to show you how big of a shadow Cutler casts on the market.
GEO: It is obvious that a quarterback doesn't know how to win a playoff game before he actually wins one. But Cutler can't even get into the playoffs. Let's look at McNabb's first three years.
In 2000, McNabb's first full season, he finishes second in MVP voting and leads the Eagles to their first playoff appearance since 1996.
In 2001, he leads the Eagles to their first NFC championship game since 1980 and loses to the Rams (who were a very powerful team and went on to win the Super Bowl).
In 2002, he breaks his ankle and still manages to come back to lead his team to the NFC Championship Game (and lost to the Bucs, the Dungy-crafted team that also subsequently won the Super Bowl).
It is obvious that when thinking about the future, it is advisable to go with the young star rather than the aged veteran. But when pitting the rookie Donovan against the rookie Cutler, it is obvious who is the better player.
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Post by GEO on Mar 23, 2009 19:35:56 GMT -5
Sorry, I wasn't aware that we were having this discussion in 1999.
Forget Cutley, the Eagles should have drafted that killer running back. What was his name? Ricky Williams?
If given the choice between Jay Cutler, a kid who has shown he can perform, but who needs a decent defense to get him into the playoffs, and Donovan McNabb, a guy with a bad injury history who is about to exit his prime, then I can't believe you choose McNabb.
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Post by iPatriot on Mar 23, 2009 19:53:34 GMT -5
Am I the only one thinking Cutler is being a primadonna? In my opinion, he hasn't earned anything yet. McDaniels is coming in with a proven system and wants to a player to execute that system to it fullest extent. If he believes that Cassel can do that better then Cutler, then he has every right to go out and try to acquire that player.
What would we have if every player that's been rumored in a trade acted like Cutler? He's throwing a hissy fit. I've come to expect this out of Phillip Rivers, but I though Cutler was better than that.
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Post by OOYL on Mar 23, 2009 20:13:03 GMT -5
Am I the only one thinking Cutler is being a primadonna? In my opinion, he hasn't earned anything yet. Exactly. Fine, lets not have the conversation in 1999. Let's have it in 2030. Cutler could turn out to be another Ryan Leaf- a guy who showed a lot of promise but ended up being an idiot and a total bust. McNabb could be the guy who led his team to the most NFC championships in a decade. He could be the guy who played hard but could never win the big one, or the guy who finally won it all after a decade long struggle. He could even be a hall-of-famer.
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Post by BlackOps on Mar 23, 2009 20:48:23 GMT -5
Cutler's acting like a total baby.. I hear about this crap almost every single day and it's annoying. Cutler is good, but he's not the greatest thing around. We've got Chauncey Billups and Todd Helton.. they're way cooler than mr. smartypants from Vandy.
I agree that McDaniels and everyone involved may have handled it poorly, but Cutler should know that business is business, and it really isn't that big of a deal, because at the end of the day he's still in Denver.
Anyway, would he be doing this if he was not the QB?
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Post by FootballFreak03 on Mar 24, 2009 13:43:21 GMT -5
If you are a coordinator and you come over to a new team and accept their head coaching job, then you must adjust. Period. Forget about the past, and all of those great players you build up its time to say goodbye.
Well McDaniels takes the Broncos job. And if i were an offensive mastermind like him, i would be thrilled to have Cutler on my team. However, McDaniels wants to take the easy way out and decides that he wants to bring back the QB that he build up to be great despite the fact that Cutler is 10X better than him. I think its ridiculous that he would even think of doing that and the rest of the front office in Denver would consider this deal.
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Post by FootballFreak03 on Apr 1, 2009 15:03:32 GMT -5
Well after the Broncos tried to contact Cutler many times, they have now put Jay on the open market to trade him. Interesting.......
Where will he end up? I read that when the Broncos were trying to get Cassel, the Vikings were in the 3 way deal between the Pats, Broncos, and themselves. The deal never got through or serious because the Vikes "werent sold on Cutler" which i think is funny because he threw for 4500 yards and over 20 TDs while they have Gus Ferotte and Tavaris Jackson.
The Vikes should just trade another 1st round pick to get him seriously. They are a QB and better coaching away from being a true contender.
If the Broncos do end up dealing Jay, I right now see the Browns as the most likely destination. Trade Quinn or Anderson and a 1st rounder for Cutler makes perfect sense.
Other possibilities are the Redskins (Campbell and a 1st rounder) the Jets, Bucs, and 49ers.
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Post by Master Shake on Apr 1, 2009 19:07:50 GMT -5
We need to remember how young Cutler is. He comes from that draft class with Leinart and Young, and those guys haven't even fully developed (I wouldn't call either a bust quite yet). Maybe a team that has a QB thats established yet on the older side with a young coach who is looking to press the restart button with his team will try to make this move. Now, obviously, the Buccs and Lions are looking to rebuild, but they can only offer draft picks and maybe defensive players. I think that McDaniels, coming from a Patriot system that we know doesn't look so much at age rather than players who can make an immediate impact. Obviously, McDaniels will run things in Denver similar to that of New England (hey, if it ain't broke, don't fix it). I think the upset pick here is the Rams. Bulger may have been pretty bad the last couple of seasons but I have a hard time believing that he's totally finished. The Broncos will be an air-it-out squad next season and Bulger could work with that. Plus, his injury problems could be downplayed because Denver offensive line is so good. This gives the Rams a new face a QB, with Spagnolo calling the shots, and the Broncos an established QB that could lead them for maybe 2 or 3 years, and then the Rams 2nd Round Pick (almost a 1st rounder, being the 34th pick overall).
It could be similar with the Panthers as well with Delhomme, but I would think that Bulger would seem more attractive to McDaniels, seeing as how Delhomme is just a game managing QB.
It probably won't happen, but it's a decent thought.
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