|
Post by Nyi28nhl on Aug 3, 2008 21:34:12 GMT -5
Some people feel baseball should be judged based on an eye during a game. See how a player plays, how his mechanics are, etc.
Others feel that numbers and math tell the true story. That numbers are a fair, unbiased way of determining players' value. Stats like saves, wins, and batting average have little to no meaning whereas ERA, OBP, SLG, and WHIP all tell the story of how good the player really is.
Which side are you on?
I'm a pure saber guy, fyi.
|
|
|
Post by MxHT413 on Aug 4, 2008 2:53:44 GMT -5
I'm a stats guy. If the player is truly good, it'll show on paper. There are some guys that look like lazy slobs in the field, but they get the job done, plus more production. On the other hand, there are some guys that look like they have everything down, but they just can't perform when the time comes.
*By the way, while we're talking about stats and baseball, me and my uncle have been trying to come up with a formula that most accurately predicts each game. Team LOB is a huge part of it, and is a stat that is overlooked by many.
|
|
|
Post by BlackOps on Aug 4, 2008 12:47:18 GMT -5
Yep, wins and RBI are useless. Pretty much the stats you use are the ones I do.
Juan Pierre is bad, Adam Dunn is good. Perhaps Pierre should be a starter somewhere, he's only had one "good" season his entire career, whereas Dunn has been above average - on a hall of fame level - for his entire career.
|
|
|
Post by mainstreet52 on Aug 4, 2008 13:24:18 GMT -5
A stat I have come up with and I wish was calculated was ZIP (Zero (for) Inning Percentage), or how often a pitcher puts a 0 on the board. Especially for relievers, it really doesn't matter if he gives up 2 runs or 5 in a bad outing -- it's a bad outing. Yet, the 5 hurts his other stats a lot more.
But yes, I tend to use WHIP, and HR/9 for determining which pitchers to draft.
However, for position players I still think the traditional stats work (except RBI, which is situational).
|
|
|
Post by philliesphan on Aug 4, 2008 15:29:47 GMT -5
I would sure rather have good stats. Any day of the week. However, how they look out there does matter a lot more than people think. For instance if the leader of your club is a bum, and never hustles (cough, cough Bobby Abreu, and the 2005 Phillies) it effects the rest of the team heavily. I saw it happen before my eyes. When Bobby Abreu was a Phillie, the clubhouse was a mess, and the team sucked. However, as soon as he gets traded, we start to play well. It certainly helps the attitude of the team.
|
|